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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardb View Post
    While waiting for further progress with the paint, finalized all remaining details with the interior. I received the sport shifter back from Lokar. They repaired mine although did offer if they couldn’t repair, they would send a new replacement. Their parts have a lifetime guarantee. Would be nice to not have a defect on a new part. But they stood behind it 100%. It’s still a mystery exactly what happened. But best I can tell it was defective out of the box and eventually failed. It now clicks through the gears smoothly and with much less effort. As expected, it was challenging to install back into the hole in the center console. But it’s done and buttoned up. In keeping with what other build threads have done, I made a video of the completed interior. Not edited (obviously with gaffes and not knowing the difference between right and left…) but gives a look at the final outcome.

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    With more painted parts completed I was able to assemble the truck bed. This was a big step forward. Everything had been together previously, so relatively straightforward to assemble for the last time. Our oldest grandson spent his spring break at our place. So he was a big help to hang the parts without scratching up my shiny new paint. Yesterday I finished the wood (aka vinyl over aluminum) bed, tailgate, and even installed the rear lights. Again, straightforward enough and really digging the final appearance. I had one panic putting in the wood bed. The chrome strips are held by 1/4-20 SS button head screws into SS T-nuts in the mounting channels. Literally the very last one I put in started grabbing and (you guessed it) did the SS galling routine. I was able to get it loose and chase the threads. So, no major surgery. But did go back and put antiseize on every one of the screws. Which I should have done in the first place and always recommend . The only thing left are the fenders and running boards. They’re not quite done and my painter had the nerve to go on vacation. Didn’t even ask for permission! He’ll be back and I know he wants to get this wrapped up. Probably by month end I should have a completed truck.









    The last two pictures were taken with the garage door open and the sun shining in. (Yes, we do occasionally see the sun in Michigan during the winter.) The red does pop. Question for the group. Pretty sure I would like to put something on the tailgate. Right now, considering this Ford script piece. I know, LS engine up front. Oh well. Obviously, it would be better centered and levelled. What do the masses think?

    The Ford Script is an incredible touch. Is that an "off the shelf" item or did you find a place to have it made? My truck is named FUBAR (army slang from WWII) I would love to get one made in Ford script.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guardm16 View Post
    The Ford Script is an incredible touch. Is that an "off the shelf" item or did you find a place to have it made? My truck is named FUBAR (army slang from WWII) I would love to get one made in Ford script.
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    The Ford script piece is a stock part from Speedway Motors. Their 91112802 Ford Script Emblem, Chrome. Can't help with anything custom. Sorry. Although there have to be options out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardb View Post
    Not a huge update, but this close to the finish line feels like a good step forward. Plus two more empty boxes to put in the recycle bin. Yesterday we installed the front and back windows. Today I installed the wiper arms for the first time. All good.

    For the windows, the truck has a glued in windshield just like the Coupe, several other FF models, and untold millions of DD's. Plus a smaller window on the back of the cab. As opposed to the bolt-on windshield with the Roadster. Which, for the work required, seems a bit of a chore. But, trust me, easier than the glue-in process. The truck is a bit easier than the Coupe though as the glass comes with the frit (black border) already in place. So, no tedious masking and painting the frit with black primer. Didn’t miss that step at all. Also, again as compared to the Coupe, the supplied glass from FF fits the truck openings perfectly without any bending or trimming. I used rubber trim around the windshield on the Coupe. But didn’t use any for the truck. Also made it simpler. As with previous installations, I have a local buddy who’s in the business working for one of the major OE suppliers, lives close by, and is happy to stop and help whenever I ask. Good thing because none of the regular glass shops I’ve talked to are interested in doing this kind of custom work and I still haven't developed the nerve to try it myself.

    There’s really not a lot to say about the process. It’s pretty straightforward. My buddy ask me to abrade the pinch weld contact area with 120 grit sandpaper. Then we very carefully cleaned (no touching!) and did apply primer even though the adhesive we used was technically primerless. Which is pretty common now. With that, and the perimeter of the glass also carefully cleaned, gunned in the urethane adhesive (I watched…) using a power caulking gun with a special tip that makes a “V” bead. Then pressed the glass into place, made sure it was properly centered, and added a few pieces of wide masking tape. We did the small rear window first, then the larger windshield. There’s not really much to add. It’s a straightforward and very standard process. The main tip I would mention is the pinch weld and frit are relatively narrow. So the right size bead (on the small side) properly placed is critical. You obviously need enough for a strong water-tight seal. But not so much that it’s squeezing out excessively around the edges. Both the inside and outside edges are pretty exposed. I didn’t have to do anything to the rear glass. For the windshield, I did a little clean-up and trimming in a few places after the adhesive had set for a couple of hours. All turned out fine and really happy to see the glass in place.





    Today I installed the wiper arms and confirmed the angles and directions I set on the Specialty Power Windows WWK2 wiper drive kit back when it was installed. Good thing because it’s a little bit of a pain to disassemble and adjust. Mostly just messy with all the packed grease. I used Specialty Power Windows WAB-01BR Billet Aluminum Wiper Arms, RH Bend that I had previously sprayed with satin black Steel-It Polyurethane Spray. I'm Ok with how it all turned out. These wiper arms I would rate as a little fiddly to set up. They have very small screws and they’re not knurled like the 1/2" drums on the wheelboxes. I made sure to use blue Loctite on everything and get the set screws plenty tight. I’m sure they’ll be fine for the (hopefully) very limited use on the truck. But I wouldn’t put them up there with OE style wipers, like the Anco ones on the Coupe. Also tested and confirmed my washers work. Nothing exiting but will pass the safety inspection.





    Couple more last minute details. I was going to glue the mount for the kit supplied center rear view mirror on the windshield and get that done. But unfortunately the mirror is wider than the opening between the sun visors I installed. I have 6” between and the supplied mirror is almost 8". Ends up a little clunky with things running into each other. Going to look for a different mirror and maybe mount it to the body rather than the windshield. TBD.

    While moving the truck around in preparation for installing the glass, the MIL lit and it threw a P2138 “Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch “D”/”E” Voltage Correlation" code. First time my LS3 has thrown a code. With the MIL on, the accelerator pedal was inoperative, which agrees with various write-ups about this code, putting the engine into a low power or no-drive condition since it’s a potential safety issue. Basically, for redundancy there are two voltage paths between the accelerator and the throttle body. If they are different by a certain amount, the system throws this code. I cleared the code with my scanner and it hasn’t come back (yet…). So maybe it’s a one-time random event. But after doing some research, found that connectors could be the issue. So unplugged each (one at the throttle body, two at the accelerator pedal DBW module), cleaned with contact cleaner, allowed them to dry, and put a very small amount of dielectric grease on the pins. Again, as recommend on multiple sites. All is working OK so far with limited testing. But obviously will be monitoring closely. All new components, so wouldn’t expect anything to be bad. But anything’s possible. The one wildcard IMO is the Dakota Digital cruise control setup I’m using has a jumper cable between the LS3 harness and the DBW module. Maybe that’s disturbing something? Next troubleshoot if the code reappears will be to take that jumper out of the circuit and see if anything changes.

    Finally, I’ve decided to change the rear springs. Way back in the build thread I noted how the driveshaft contacted the chassis with the rear suspension in full droop. From another builder, received a recommendation to move the rear coilover upper mounts to the top holes (described in the manual as “for the Hot Rod or low ride height”) as opposed to the lower holes which are for the truck. This limited the suspension droop and eliminated the chassis interference. But as is often the case, changes can have unintended consequences. In this case, the coilover adjustment collars required additional adjustment to make up for the higher mounting. Plus I found in order to keep the rear tires off the fenders, I needed the ride height to be more than the recommended amount. Both of these factors put the coilover adjustments near the end of their upper range and I’m really compressing the kit supplied 8" springs. Now that it’s been on the ground more, the ride height has settled slightly (normal) and ideally I should adjust it some more. But instead, I’m going to swap out the 8” springs for 10” ones. That will get me back to where it should be plus give a little wiggle room for some front-to-back rake which I don’t currently have. I ordered Eibach 1000.250.0250 springs (2.500” ID, 10” length, 250 lbs./in. spring rate) which are the same ID and spring rate as the stock springs. Plus Eibach’s are supposedly an upgrade. They’ll be here next week and shouldn’t be a difficult swap.

    The Ford script is now attached with 3M molding tape to the center of the tailgate. Thanks for those that responded to my question and confirmed that location. Seeing a picture of an original 1935 sealed the deal. An easy Google search I could have done but didn't.

    That’s enough. My painter is due back from vacation tomorrow so hoping to get the last few pieces finished and installed soon. Unless something else breaks or I decide to change something else, really getting close to done.
    Did the new springs solve the problem? I have my rear shocks set to the maximum height with them mounted in the lower holes. I only have about 1" space between the fender and the tires, using the recommended 18" rims and tires. with about 3.5" clearance from the bottom of the fenders/running boards. The front shocks are about midpoint on the adjustment, so they can still go up about 2". I think that is a little to low and I am looking for a solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpas Garage View Post
    Did the new springs solve the problem? I have my rear shocks set to the maximum height with them mounted in the lower holes. I only have about 1" space between the fender and the tires, using the recommended 18" rims and tires. with about 3.5" clearance from the bottom of the fenders/running boards. The front shocks are about midpoint on the adjustment, so they can still go up about 2". I think that is a little to low and I am looking for a solution.
    Yes, the 10" springs helped a lot. Gave me the added ride height I was looking for and still some room for further adjustment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardb View Post
    Yes, the 10" springs helped a lot. Gave me the added ride height I was looking for and still some room for further adjustment.
    Thanks for the info. I have made up some flat bar brackets to extend the mounting location on the frame down 1.5". If that doesn't work I will try the longer springs.

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    Paul: I want to be ready to remove the heater hose fittings from the LS I am planning on installing and understand I will need to the holes to 3/8"and 1/2". Based on the replacement fittings you identified in this thread, what was the thread count (8 on both)?, if you remember.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbisett View Post
    Paul: I want to be ready to remove the heater hose fittings from the LS I am planning on installing and understand I will need to the holes to 3/8"and 1/2". Based on the replacement fittings you identified in this thread, what was the thread count (8 on both)?, if you remember.
    The right angle fittings I used were 3/8 and 1/2 inch NPT. I don't know the exact thread count. Just used the appropriate taps. Discussed in detail with pictures starting at post 204 in this build thread.

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    1935 Ford Pickup Factory Five Hot Rod Truck For Sale Vanguard Motor Sales

    Hi Paul,

    This looks like your work. Not sure if you have seen it.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYH1fvXE4RI

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnew View Post
    Hi Paul,

    This looks like your work. Not sure if you have seen it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYH1fvXE4RI
    Yes that's the truck I built and yes I know about it. Sold on BAT November of last year (2023) and went to Texas. Now in my backyard at Vanguard. I had a couple clues the guy that bought it was a collector and likely would flip it. What's "interesting" is that I offered it to Vanguard (the dealer in the video) before going with BAT. They insulted me with a low ball offer and were less than complimentary about it. I told them what I thought of their offer and moved on. Now they have it back at several times what they offered me and according to the video it's the best thing ever. Obviously makes a difference whether you're buying or selling. I find it hard to believe it will sell for their asking price. But don't expect I'll ever know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardb View Post
    …I find it hard to believe it will sell for their asking price. But don't expect I'll ever know.
    Nothing sells for their asking price! And as usual much of their descriptions are inaccurate, but I don’t think their typical buyer knows or cares. Truck still looks great Paul!

    Jeff

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    Someone is going to get a well sorted, high quality F5 truck! The video really showcased your handiwork. It was a pleasure to get such a detailed view of it. (Only thing it needs is a third pedal ).
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    The automatic transmission is the appropriate choice for that truck. A manual transmission requires ergonomics to facilitate driver function. Review Greg's video seated with open door and while driving.
    The driver torso should be held securely so that the arms and legs are free for control, not bracing, hanging-on or crammed against the torso.
    The left arm should be free for one handed steering while the right arm/hand is free to throw/pull shifts.
    Simultaneously the legs/feet are free to push the pedals; occasionally brake and throttle at the same time to rev-match during downshift.
    One can not shift effectively from a fetal-like position.
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    The point of my post is to compliment Paul and his build. The parenthetical comment about it needing a manual transmission is strictly in jest. It's not meant as a suggestion to Paul, his build, or any other F5 hot rod truck builder. I hope no one else takes it seriously--hence the emoticon I added to convey it was meant tongue-in-cheek. Please disregard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 460.465USMC View Post
    The point of my post is to compliment Paul and his build. The parenthetical comment about it needing a manual transmission is strictly in jest. It's not meant as a suggestion to Paul, his build, or any other F5 hot rod truck builder. I hope no one else takes it seriously--hence the emoticon I added to convey it was meant tongue-in-cheek. Please disregard.
    I didn't take it seriously and your humor was appreciated. I described in some of the early posts why I chose an automatic: (1) It fit the intended theme of the truck as a boulevard cruiser -- automatic, PS, PB, cruise, A/C, etc. (2) I like to try new things on all my builds and I hadn't done an automatic before. It was an interesting exercise. Far from an expert now but know more than I did before, (3) The footbox space on the truck is limited and the third pedal (clutch) made it worse.


    Quote Originally Posted by J R Jones View Post
    The automatic transmission is the appropriate choice for that truck. A manual transmission requires ergonomics to facilitate driver function. Review Greg's video seated with open door and while driving.
    The driver torso should be held securely so that the arms and legs are free for control, not bracing, hanging-on or crammed against the torso.
    The left arm should be free for one handed steering while the right arm/hand is free to throw/pull shifts.
    Simultaneously the legs/feet are free to push the pedals; occasionally brake and throttle at the same time to rev-match during downshift.
    One can not shift effectively from a fetal-like position.
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    Your statements overstate the case, especially the "fetal-like position" reference. But the truck as originally released (which this one was) has been noted by all owners as tight. I'm 5'9" and was tight for me. I mentioned this several times in the build thread. Greg, the Vanguard guy in the video, citing his height as over 6 feet is too tall to be comfortable in that cab. Full stop. There's a reason Factory Five released a new version a year or more after I got mine that has a six inch longer cab. If I had built that version, maybe I might have kept it. But probably not... I went on to another project.
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    I don't know if I agree with your reasoning. IMHO the truck would have looked really sweet as a parts hauler / airport transportation vehicle for your new project...

    Now, the question is: what's next?

    Cheers! Keith HR #894

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    Quote Originally Posted by progmgr1 View Post
    I don't know if I agree with your reasoning. IMHO the truck would have looked really sweet as a parts hauler / airport transportation vehicle for your new project...

    Now, the question is: what's next?

    Cheers! Keith HR #894
    This build thread has gotten a little off topic. Let's just move on. I sold it for various reasons. Some discussed some not. No further explanation is necessary. Lots of cars are bought and sold on this forum. I'm at least six months away from completion on the airplane build. It could easily be longer. I'm not sure what comes after that.
    Build 1: Mk3 Roadster #5125. Sold 11/08/2014. Build 2: Mk4 Roadster #7750. Sold 04/10/2017. Build Thread
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    Build 5: 35 Hot Rod Truck #138. LS3 and 4L65E auto. Rcvd 01/05/2021. Legal 04/20/2023. Build Thread. Sold 11/9/2023.

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