sounds like one hell of a setup! I found my biggest problem with my electric reverse trike was the ungodly noise...
all the little rocks and pebbles off the tires drove me nuts!
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sounds like one hell of a setup! I found my biggest problem with my electric reverse trike was the ungodly noise...
all the little rocks and pebbles off the tires drove me nuts!
Dan
818S #17 Picked up 8/1/13 First start 11/1/13 Go Kart 3/28/14
Bob,
Can you disclose more technical info on the 1st setup and future goal you want to reach?
For example, you expect the 28kw motor to produce how much hp and tq, what expected performances (0-60 time, top speed, other), how long to charge the batteries if you drove say 110miles out of the 120 and on what voltage (110, 400, other?), weight of the batteries with or without other hardware (or total weight of car if possible). Stuff like that.
And then what would be your feasible goal? 4 motors AWD, 0-60 under 3.5s, 160mph top, 200+miles range and 1h charge on 110volts? If yes, I think that would be a serious option for me.
Frank
818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 Turbo GT3582R
Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017
Build time before being driveable on Sep 27, 2019: over 6000h
Build Completed Winter 2021
Hi Frank
I am not ready to disclose any more details than I have already as I have a number of different components to choose from. I am constantly evaluating between weight, power, size, range and cost to come up with the best package. The same as you would do with a gas engine.
I did not say I had a 28kw motor. I have a goal of a 28kwh battery pack. According to the MPGe standard, 33.7 kilowatt hours of electricity is equivalent to one gallon of gasoline. Good thing my electric system is much more efficient than an internal combustion engine.
The EVDL (electric vehicle discussion list is loaded with info on this) Here is a link to my first EV about 15 years ago. http://www.evalbum.com/377 and another http://www.evalbum.com/3507
Now, Back to installing my ABS. BUILD TIP. DO NOT USE A CHEAP DOUBLE BAR FLARE TOOL.
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/acc...er=238197_0_0_
This one is working much better.
Bob
Last edited by Bob_n_Cincy; 09-23-2013 at 11:00 AM.
I have an Eastwood, maybe a bit more than you'd want to spend for one project, but amazing quality flares in seconds
http://www.eastwood.com/professional...ring-tool.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=AlRwAI7OTqY
Do we really need that tool or can we re-use the OEM tubing from the donor?
Last edited by Frank818; 09-23-2013 at 11:42 AM.
Frank
818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 Turbo GT3582R
Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017
Build time before being driveable on Sep 27, 2019: over 6000h
Build Completed Winter 2021
Re-using tubing would be a pain. But possible.
FFR supplies tubing and adaptors for brakes with a front proportioning valve (sae fittings).
But I am using the ABS, so I have a lot of custom lengths needed.
I used the FFR tubing but used my donors fittings so I didn't need the adaptors.
Tip: If your buying any fittings to go into the donors stuff. Us M10-1 inverted flare (Japanese) . The M10-1 bubble flare is for European.
bob
Thanks for the link. I took a gamble and got a $10 ebay one, but it only does single flares. I figured for $10 it was worth the gamble if I lost (which I did).
I've been eyeing that and saying "I really sholdn't buy this.....I really shouldn't buy this.....but it's so cool.....but I really shouldn't buy that".
I saved all my stuff and once I got the kit I folded it up and stuffed it into the scrap metal recycle box. It's be a huge pain with all of the funky custom lengths and bends in the OEM stuff.
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Ready for Glider test this weekend (one of my milestones)
Braking system functional with no leaks(no abs yet)
Emergency brake functional.
steering complete(except for some spacers)
Front suspension complete and aligned.
rear suspension complete and aligned.
temporary seat installed.
ride height set to 5" because springs won't let me go lower with this light load.
R888 225-45-16 tires all around
16" 6.5" 55 offset stock rims.
stock 06 NA brakes
seat belts temporarily installed
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I'll let you know how it goes.
Bob
Last edited by Bob_n_Cincy; 09-27-2013 at 07:33 AM.
I weighed my 818 in the condition as my post 93 above.
Front axle = 446 lbs
rear axle = 394 lbs
total glider weight 840 lbs or 382 Kg
Does anyone have the weight of a complete engine with 5MT?
Bob
Tim, that Eastwood tool looks amazing. Thanks for the link!
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Delivered 4/23/06. "Finished" 4/2012 (still not done!)
Nice. I'm missing enough parts (my fault not FFR) so can't quite put wheels on yet.
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What are the specs on your AC motor? Are you going to sell your custom controller?
Have you thought about going for the government incentive for EVs? I think it is only for "new" cars, but what is a new kit car?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governm...#United_States
I'm looking for performance equal to WRX version of the 818 on the second car. We will see soon If I'm able to meet that performance goal.
No answer on your other question at this time.
I have no clue on the government incentives. I just build things and let others worry about the money and politics.
Bob
EV has to be production for subsidies
Dan
818S #17 Picked up 8/1/13 First start 11/1/13 Go Kart 3/28/14
I know glider is not go kart mode. (Erik had his car 2 months before me)
But I did drive my 818 down the road today.
See videos:
Everything went great.
Steering, braking, and smoothness. I could not get the slightest bark out of the tire with aggressive steering at 35-40 mph.
The car was more aerodynamically challenged then I thought.
I was expecting it to be able to maintain momentum to go back up some rolling hills. But the drag to weight ratio was just to high.
Bob
Last edited by Bob_n_Cincy; 09-28-2013 at 07:03 PM.
Michael driving
I'm hijacking my own thread so everyone can watch this video. IOM TT with no crashes.
www.youtube.com/embed/QjdLNB5FI0s
Those vids are of a great quality, keep posting.
So what you're saying is that you're lacking power?
Frank
818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 Turbo GT3582R
Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017
Build time before being driveable on Sep 27, 2019: over 6000h
Build Completed Winter 2021
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_glider
Since the definition of a glider is a vehicle without a powertrain. I guess you could say I'm lacking power.
Bob
Today investigated what I had as far as axle go.
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The top axle is the rear out of my 2006 NA wagon donor.
Second axle is the front out of my 2006 NA wagon donor.
The bottom 3 are FFR axles.
The right side of the top rear axle must match the right side of the FFR axles.
The left side of the second front axle must match the left of the ffr axles.
The 3 leg tripod fits all the important splines. 29 spline about 23.5 to 24.0 mm OD.
All is good.
Bob
Frank
818 chassis #181 powered by a '93 VW VR6 Turbo GT3582R
Go-karted Aug 5, 2016 - Then May 19+21, 2017
Tracked May 27/July 26, 2017
Build time before being driveable on Sep 27, 2019: over 6000h
Build Completed Winter 2021
Bob, I've seen over a hundred go-kart videos, mostly roadsters, but never a Glider! And, certainly not on a public road. I cringe at what you have started and imagine someone in Colorado Springs will try to top you with a Glider down Pikes Peak. OMG
Pete
818S/C : Chassis #25 with 06 WRX 2.5 turbo, ABS, cruise, PS, A/C, Apple CarPlay, rear camera, power windows & locks, leather & other complexities. Sold 10/19 with 5,800 miles.
Mk3 Roadster #6228 4.6L, T45, IRS, PS, PB, ABS, Cruise, Koni's, 17" Halibrands, red w/ silver - 9K miles then sold @ Barrett-Jackson Jan 2011 (got back cash spent).
Mike and I had a great week a pike peak this year winning the motorcycle hill climb with our rider Carlin Dunn.
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/20...est-62290.html
I'm sure people on bicycles race down the hill. I would love to have my second 818 ready for next summers race. I would have to get a good driver to make the run.
Bob
Last edited by Bob_n_Cincy; 09-30-2013 at 12:06 AM.
Put the body on to look how the wheels fit.
The tires are 225/45-16 (9" wide 23.8 tall) on donor 16 x 6.5 with 55 offset rims. wheel are spaced out 10mm over stock. My ride height is at 5"
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The fronts had 2.5" fore and aft and about 1.5 above.
The tire is flush with the side of the car.
The rear wheels have 2.5" fore, aft, and above.
The tire is inset 3/4"
I like the front flush with my 9" tires but will go up to a 8" wide rim.
In the rears I'm going to go with 1" wider tires on 8" wide rims.
The 255/50R16 in back is almost 26" in diameter. So it will fill the wheel well better.
Do you agree?
Bob
I thought someone might want a blank slate to color in the back of the car.
Bob
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I'm glad I went with my 26 inch tall 225-55-16 in the rear...
Dan
818S #17 Picked up 8/1/13 First start 11/1/13 Go Kart 3/28/14
Steering wheel position
Is there an easy way to move the steering wheel closer to the dash?
Bob
I don't think there is. Its not a collapsible column. Only way is to make a shortened joint between that and the rack.
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Yes there is, use an flat aftermarket steering wheel with a short adapter.
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I have one on my GTM. Makes the driver's side entry and exit almost as easy as the passenger side.
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R/s
Vidal
CURRENT STATUS: Interior Rework and Bodywork.
GenII GTM #331. Delivered (23/9/10)
BUILD LOG AND WEBSITE:
http://gtmbuild.weebly.com/ .
Should have specified there isn't an easy way to move the stock wheel.
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