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Thanks for the quick replies, guys!
Kit #295 Picked up 11/26/2014!
Dang it. I never even checked that against the wiring diagram but you are absolutely correct. I would have jumpered past it. Oh well, kept it in place because the internet told me it was related to the fuel injection system (that's what pops up when you google the part number on it). Think of the grams I could have saved! Rasmus would be very disappointed in me right now. Guess I have a winter "project" for next year.
bump for an amazingly helpful thread!!
Nolan
65 coupe Gen 3 "Phoenix" build
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...032#post297032
818 s (with r windscreen ) 350 rwhp. Registered and street legal (SOLD)
It seems so long ago, that I was studying this thread.
When I first started going through the harness, I took all of Craig's pictures and put the plug numbers and his comments on the picture. It was very helpful for me as I could quickly flip through the pictures to identify the plugs. Using the PDF factory manual, and searching plug number, was a huge time saver. I could up load them all if it would be helpful for others. Here are a few:
B8 WIPER MOTOR.jpg B9 BULKHEAD HARNESS7.jpg B16 Master Cylinder Connector.jpg B19 REAR 02 AND TRANS.jpgB65 Stop Light Switch.jpg B69 Parking Switch.jpg B112 Fog Light Diode.jpg
I'm back on this thread now they in putting the wiring in the car. Was here over a year ago when I stripped down my harness and labeled all the connectors ( or almost all) and find this page is great to use the find tool in and search for something. Thanks again for all the hard work you put in making this thread.
Nolan
65 coupe Gen 3 "Phoenix" build
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...032#post297032
818 s (with r windscreen ) 350 rwhp. Registered and street legal (SOLD)
After a lengthy absence, I am trying to complete the wiring on my car. I'm trying to determine where connector B70 (combination switch) plugs into. I cannot find the mate for this plug on the steering column. Am I missing something very simple?
Regards,
Dave
TriguyDave
818 noobie builder
First start: Sept 28, 2014
Go-carted: Oct 4, 2014
Registered and Street legal Sept 30, 2015
Calgary, Alberta
818S Chassis #288 2.5L 323hp
Ordered: 9/19/14 Received Kit: 11/2/14 First Start: 5/31/15 First Drive: 6/7/15 Registered: 3/10/2016 Completed: 2/10/2017
Status: Complete Build Thread Sold 9/22/2017
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TriguyDave
818 noobie builder
First start: Sept 28, 2014
Go-carted: Oct 4, 2014
Registered and Street legal Sept 30, 2015
Calgary, Alberta
TriguyDave
818 noobie builder
First start: Sept 28, 2014
Go-carted: Oct 4, 2014
Registered and Street legal Sept 30, 2015
Calgary, Alberta
Were you able to verify the connections where you put "Delete (not sure if all/some" or "Some wires may be trimmed. More info later." ???
No. I wasn't able to go back and look at it. Generally just follow the wire and make sure there isn't a junction in the middle of it. I found lots of those.
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Monumental effort! Thanks.
"Scotty, give me all the TRACTION she's got!" Pictures of what I drive till 818R is finished
Track Car Journal on IWSTI (with build info)
I'm just bringing this thread to the top because it is a life-saver for anyone working with the donor electrical system. It's based on a 2006 donor but much of it also applies to other model years.
818S/C : Chassis #25 with 06 WRX 2.5 turbo, ABS, cruise, PS, A/C, Apple CarPlay, rear camera, power windows & locks, leather & other complexities. Sold 10/19 with 5,800 miles.
Mk3 Roadster #6228 4.6L, T45, IRS, PS, PB, ABS, Cruise, Koni's, 17" Halibrands, red w/ silver - 9K miles then sold @ Barrett-Jackson Jan 2011 (got back cash spent).
Ha, I was just about to start looking for this. With any luck, I'll be into brake lines and wiring this weekend.
Same model here. HID Relay B371. Book claims pin 1 as V and sends it to the FB-9 power circuit. My relay (confirmed by ipassgass) has RG and sends it to a splice on B152(fuse block)/B102(tail light relay) which gets power from FB-3. Maybe a mid-year change or something left over from a previous/alternate version of the diagram.
Also seems like a good time to add that the security horn doesn't seem to be included in the 2006 models, along with the relay for it. Subaru kept the plugs, though, so don't let that throw you.
Similarly, the alarm system shock sensor seems to be a dealer add-on upgrade, so I wasted a bunch of time assuming I'd lost it.
This thread is gold... pure gold. Thank you, Craig.
Just a quick note about the door switches. I would call those switches "normally closed (NC)" switches. By which I mean, when the switch is in its mechanically relaxed state it conducts electrically. I verified this via a simple conductivity test with a VOM. What this means is that when all the doors are closed, all their switches are electrically open. Whenever any door is opened, the spring in its switch relaxes and it enters its normal state (closed). This completes the circuit and tells the Body Integrated Module to turn on the cabin light. What's your point, Brian???? In order to "delete" the rear door switches, just remove them and whatever wiring you like -- do not short the wires around the removed switch or your BIM will think your rear doors are always open.
fletch & son's 818c build thread, Chassis #21
So oversimplifying it, I pull the harness out of my car, strip out all the connectors and wires identified as not being needed, tidy up what is left, and put it back in? Is that about right? I have the same year and the harness is in the 818 and it is running, but I really don't like all the wires, so I want to simplify it. I've considered all the options (iWire harness if they make some more, Wayne's (VCP) harness, make one from scratch using a Coach-1 or similar kit to start with). So I think I'm going to go this route.
I don't know if I would have gone this way if I didn't find this thread, so thank you very much!
Rick
Reading over all this information, and other threads, it looks like the keyless entry and body control units and all associated wires can be removed. The only possible issue with the body control module removal would be the lighting to the instrument cluster, which can be addressed. There are a lot of wires connected to those modules so they look like good candidates for tidying things up. Anyone removed those units and found a problem?
Rick
If it is not appropriate to be posting my questions in this thread, please let me know.
I've used the info here to take about 10 lbs out of the harness. The airbag stuff was already removed when I got the car, so I think that is a pretty good amount taken out. But I would like to cut out the wires that apparently run back on themselves through the center console area. From what I've read there are about 30 wires, so 60 runs taking up room in that area. The problem is that the harness seems to be such a tangled mess. Is it possible to lay it out so I can clearly see which wires are running back on themselves?
Right now I've got it laying in place with the forward stuff at the front and the engine/rear circuits at the back. But there is a huge tangle in the middle that doesn't seem like it can be straightened out. I can't see how to identify what is running back over itself. I guess that is why all of that was just jammed into the center console area when I got the car.
Any advise would be appreciated.
Rick
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I bought heat shrink labels, cut a wire, label both ends (101, 102, 103...). Untangle it, then delete or trim and solder back together.
In my view there is no magic bullet to finding and dealing with the loop-back extras. You have to pick one and mark it somehow - label, tape tag, ty-wrap, etc. - whatever you have that you find easy and won't get confusing, then dig and follow it around and decide what to do with any branches it has. Using any type of just marked up tape (except real wire labeling tape) is risky - they fall off, gum up, get hard to read or don't make the same sense they did when you first marked them - so if you go that route think it over and be careful so you don't get caught out later with lost or confusing info you generated.
My method is pick a connector and work it wire by wire until you've run all of them down and processed what has to happen for those wires. I used that process and would put a ty-wrap on that connector to flag it "done" eventually. When I hit another connector for that wire's "far end", I would put a ty-wrap on that particular wire so I knew I had been there and it's done. To be anal about it, when I did cut out a section I made a note on paper about it to help me figure out what the heck I messed up later on.
You can crimp or solder splice and your choice there should be based on your soldering skills, understanding of solder joint flex limitations, etc., or your preference of splicing and so on. Both methods can be failure prone if not done correctly, every time, every joint. If you create an intermittent connection know that you'll learn or make up new cuss words later on.
You know by now that a wire color could turn up used more than once, can't just find a color and expect it to be all one long branch of copper, so that doesn't help you weed out anything.
Last edited by aquillen; 06-22-2020 at 11:53 AM.
I decided it was a good idea to hook up the harness and make sure the engine runs before I start cutting and shortening wires. Good thing, because it doesn't run. It cranks fine, but won't fire. I did keep finding grounds that I had missed (man, there are a lot of them), but I think I have them all now. I pulled a coil wire and don't have a spark, so that at least narrows things down.
I don't know that it has anything to do with these connectors, but I can't identify them. First one (a blurry first picture but the second picture is the same connector. It comes from a branch going to the steering column:
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The other one I can't identify (from the front part of the harness):
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The last one is in the engine area, left side:
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Since the engine will crank but not fire, I hooked up my OBDII scanner to read the codes. The scanner gave an error that it couldn't connect. That's never happened before, so that is another clue that maybe I removed a wire that I shouldn't have.
One last question. If it is something to do with the immobilizer (it is a 2006 Impreza WRX) would it crank? I think I can smell fuel after it has been cranking.
Rick
edit: coil red leads have power with ignition on, so it seems like the ECU is not letting the coils fire. I must be missing an input. And I've removed the Keyless Entry Module and the Body Control Module.
Last edited by FFRWRX; 06-27-2020 at 06:41 PM.
Do you have the immobilized light hooked up on the dash? That will help you diagnose if it is the issue.
If the ECU was not sending ignition to the plugs it would not send fuel pulses to the injectors either (AFAIK). If you are getting fuel pumped into the cylinders but no spark, check the ground paths on the coils since you checked the 12V side. If good then ring back your ign coil wires to the ECU. Check your ECU plugs are fully seated.
The "security" light is connected and flashing when everything is off. I just tried it again to see what the light does and it is on steady while cranking. I assume that is an issue? Does the immobilizer let the engine crank but not fire? If it is this preventing starting, what could I have done to cause this?
I'm not 100% sure I am getting fuel, but think I smelled it. I'll check the grounds again. There were 2 large ones on the intake manifold, and now there is only one; I think the other one was for the air pump system. I traced a couple of the OBDII leads back to the ECU to try and see why that wouldn't connect. I'll trace the rest of them. That seems strange to me that it wouldn't connect and always used to, but may or may not have anything to do with it not starting.
I just read on-line that if there is an issue with the immobilizer system the car will start but die within 3 seconds. Anyone know if this is true? If so, then that isn't my issue since the car won't fire up at all.
Thank you very much for the suggestions.
Last edited by FFRWRX; 06-28-2020 at 09:33 AM.
Mine would never start when the immobilizer light was flashing. Turn over but never fire. Sounds like an immobilizer issue to me. Check the grounds on the immobilizer.
OK, a dumb question then.........where is the immobilizer? Is it a physical unit? I thought it was part of the ECU programming.
It is a stand alone unit with two wires running to the ECU, two wires running to the key cylinder, plus some other wires. I think it is under the column if installed in the factory location.
I can get you pictures and wire colors tomorrow, but traveling and working from my phone only today.
Last edited by Ajzride; 06-28-2020 at 11:18 AM.
You guys are good! Got it running. The immobilizer antenna was not plugged in.
The antenna is the ring around the key switch. There are 2 wires going to the light and 2 going to the antenna. According to the wiring diagram the 2 antenna wires are supposed to be white and red, but mine are both black. EDIT: they are white and red after the connector. It is these 2 twisted wires:
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I traced them down to the 2 pin connector and found it wasn't connected. Looked around and found the mating connector coming from the plastic ABS box. Plugged it in and it fired right up.
So thank you again. Now I can get back to cutting out more wires.
OBDII still doesn't connect, but not too concerned with that right now.
Rick
Last edited by FFRWRX; 06-28-2020 at 01:38 PM.
Might be too late to matter and I'm working from memory here... you get the point.
I think that's the Secondary Air Combi valve connector. Also in the "valve" is the atmospheric pressure sensor so you might be needing that input for your ECU to be happy. I haven't researched it but I know others have preserved that sensor even when deleting the secondary air system.
fletch & son's 818c build thread, Chassis #21
My car seems to run fine without the atmospheric sensor (PO threw it away), but I haven't pushed it hard yet, just rolling around the block.
You might be right on that. I didn't think it was long enough to reach the air pump (I assume that's where it would go....my air pump is gone). Found this in the wiring diagram:
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I assume the pressure sensor is something to do with the Secondary Air system and not something the engine needs to run, so if the Secondary Air system and pump are removed it is likely OK to not have the sensor hooked up. Guessing a bit here, but I think that makes sense.
I tried a cheap GM MAP sensor, but it was calibrated wrong. I think a 4-bar sensor would work, but those are $65. Until I determine that the ECU actually needs it, it's unhooked.
I will add on my praise for this thread. It was a huge time-saver last winter when I started dieting the harness. Now that I'm wrestling that octopus in the car, I still find myself referring back to it when I encounter missing labels or things that seem really out of place.
818C chassis #546. Ordered 8/14/18, picked up 10/6/18. First start 01/16/2021!
Donor: 2006 WRX wagon, 108k miles.
Options: Chassis powder coat, CF street splitter, rockers, diffuser, and spoiler, polished shift knob, adjustable rear lower lateral control arms, vinyl padded dash/door, complete carpet set, battery cut-off switch, wiper kit, aluminum shifter assembly, complete CV axles, harness bar mount, matte gunmetal wheels.
Has anyone used the Solderseal splice connectors? https://solderseal.com/ They look like a great solution but too good to be true?
BTW, this is my first post on this forum, but so far it has helped me tons!
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