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Thread: King and Jazzman have inspired me so let the journey begin.

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    King and Jazzman have inspired me so let the journey begin.

    A few months ago I reached out to King who designed an excellent method to flip the nose on the Mark 4. Mine is a Mark 3.1 but, the frame in the front where the hinges mount are similar. I promiced King I would share my build on the forum, maybe other will be inspired. The drawings sent to me by King are very detailed plus both King and Jazzman did a thorough job documenting their builds here on the forum.

    So, it begins. There are two cam's that keep the hinges from racking and help tighten up the hinge system. These can be cut on a bandsaw however, I decided to mill them on a CNC my buddy and I built back in 2007. It's called a Joe4X4, after the guy who designed it. What impressed me with King's drawings is they are very detailed, more than the CNC build. At that point I knew this project was doable for me. Also, King has been extremly generious with his time answering numerious questions. I recognize this does not come as a surpirse to those of you who have seen his posts.

    Here is a short video of one of the cams being cut. Keep in mind, this machine was not designed to cut anything other than wood. Therefore, the speed is about 18imp with a .01 cut depth. Took about 24 minutes to cut which is not bad.

    I will do my best to provide updates. Until then, enjoy the video!

    Mick

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYOZk2OjWQE

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    I will be following this thread. I want to thank you for the mention of the mill. I saved the website for a future project.
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    When we built ours he had not perfected rack and pinion. Had plans to convert but, it runs fine with lead screws it's not a production machine. The vectric software allows me to mill a full sheet of plywood which doesnt happen often. I have only cut two signs that were larger than 4 feet. Happy to help when the time comes. At the time there were few hobby CNC's that as large as the Joe4x4. Now, the prices have dropped and there are more options. I suspect the boom in 3D printing has helped.

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    This morning I recut the part with the nub given it was too loose for my liking. I didn't take a photo of the new part but, this gives you an idea of what I'm talking about. My test was cut in plywood which fit perfect. I ran the machine too fast so when it made the sharp turn I suspect the bit dug in. Once slowed down it cut perfect. I dimpled where the holes will be drilled which I will do on the Drill Press.
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    I completed the metal brackets that attach the hinge to the hood. It went rather quickly. Next step fabricating the hinges.
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    Harbor Freight saw

    Before I left the shop I decided to retrofit my portable bandsaw. I have had this saw for about two years and used it on many projects. However, I never needed a stable platform to cut on until now. Took an hour to mount this on the wall and make a cutting surface. Nothing fancy, can be removed in a second. I know HF has some terrible tools but, there are some that work great and this is one of them. For $99.00 bucks its been a good deal for me. Hopefully it will be up to the task making all the cuts. By the way, If you purchase one, ditched the HF blade and replaced it with a Milwaukee. Sorry for the terrible photo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick40 View Post
    I completed the metal brackets that attach the hinge to the hood. It went rather quickly. Next step fabricating the hinges.
    You may need more of these brackets than you realize. Watch the quantities in the drawings; these are used left and right (same patterns but opposite bends).
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    Hi King.

    I made a total of 16 brackets and kept an eye on making sure the opposing bracket bends were the opposite where needed. 16 brackets in total. When I say it when rather quickly, this took me about 6 or 7 hours. To some this may seem tedious work but for me, it's very satisfying.

    For anyone thinking of taking on this challenge, the plans and drawings are outstanding. That said, I recognize this is not to eveyone's liking but, as it's been said on the forum many time's " it's your car do what you like". I admit I don't like eveyone's build choice. What I do like and admire is the work they put into it to make it their own. There are too many kid's today ( sound like my Dad), that don't work with their hands unless it's a video game. So, I appreciate all the builds knowing what it takes to get to the finish line.

    Sorry for the rant. King, thanks for looking over my shoulder, I appreciate it very much.

    Now back to the garage.

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    Nice improvements over our early 'less sophisticated' tilt front efforts.
    Great to see the knowledge base expand on modifications.
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    Hi John,

    I watched your flip, still have a folder on my computer full of photos documenting your build. It was then I knew I wanted to do this. Yeah that goes back a ways. The good news is time has allowed me to make choices and changes that otherwise would not have happened. The flip side ( no pun intended), is I could have been driving it all these years. If anything, it has made me apprecaite the journey.

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    I'm going to be following this closely. I got the drawings & assembly instructions from 2BKing & Jazzman a few months ago. Both were awesome about answering some of my initial questions about the process. I don't have my kit yet but I plan on doing this mod as well. The results are awesome. The only thing that scares me a little bit is the amount of extra body work required to secure the hood to the tilt front, and then to shape the jog around the joint between the hood and the body. But I plan to make the mods regardless....it is just too good to pass up.

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    Hey Mick,

    Great to see you taking this on. I also am going forward with the tilt-front option and am about a month away from starting. Just finishing up a couple other things before I tackle that part. King and Jazzman have supplied me with the instructions and drawings and am excited to see someone else going down this path! There is no way I would take this on without them forging the initial path. It should be a fun adventure!

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    Well it's nice to see there are others taking this on, I will do my best to post progress. Been working on the hinges and will post photos tonight. I'm not too concerned about cutting the body and getting it aligned. Hope I didn't jinx myself! Although I have worked with fiberglass, nothing to this degree. I'm also not doing the paint or body work. I don't have the time and know my limitations. I'm still unsure how Iím locking the hood, both King and Jazzman took different approaches and each worked well. Mark, the owner of Breeze Automotive Parts (great guy, excellent parts), did this to his roadster which may be the direction I take. Will see.

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    Factory Five hinges

    Because my kit is a Mk 3.1, I didnít have the hinges that come with the new kits. I thought they were a little expensive until they arrived and inspected them. As most of you already know, they are laser cut, and the hardware is impressive. The hinges need to be altered nothing major. Slot some holes, narrow the bracket and, flip the arms which I have not done yet.


    I then started to lay out holes and cuts for the braces that attach to the hood. Once I have completed all the cuts, and drilling I will begin welding.

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    Welded up the hinge supports working slowly not to warp the metal. The key was to tack and move to another area. After I had a couple of piece together, I flipped it over and tacked the other side. Took some time but, they not warped and mirror images of each other. I'm by no means a good welder, the grinding disc is my friend. Still some clean up to do but, nothing major. You may be inclined to run a bead but, don't do it.
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    I finished the rest of the fabrication today. These parts are the heart of making the nose tip. Just temporary put together, a lot of clean up to do prior to fitting it to the frame. You may notice Factory Five hood hinges. King designed it so you can utilize your current hinges. They also ensure the hood tips and doesnít rest on its nose even with a bumper. Next step is installation.

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    Electric trunk hinge from a Mustang

    Took a break and decided to install the electric Mustang trunk latch I've had for a while. A couple of folks have done this mod with success. I believe Dale mounted the latch to the frame as opposed to the trunk lid. I followed Dale's install which appears to be more secure. Also having the pin on the trunk lid will be easier to align and adjust. Also, lighter and no need to snake electrical through the lid.

    The mounting points on the latch are at an angle so the mounts needed to be cut at 75 degrees. I used a 1 inch angle bracket to secure to the bracing above the fuel tank. I then welded two one inch pieces of square stock to the bracket. I welded a cap on the end with a nut welded to the inside of the tube so I could secure the latch.

    I have not cut off the tab at the bottom on the Mustang itís the 3rd mounting point. Iím not sure if I will add a mounting, may just cut it off. The latch is secure but, will move a bit if I lean on it. Certainly more than the trunk will every do. Will remove and Powdercoat prior to final install.

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    Mounted the hinges

    Today I mocked up the hinges to see if there were any obstacles. You may recall King's design is for a Mark IV but, the frame in the front is identical to the MK 3.1, as best as I can tell so, no issues. The next step is to mount the body and temporarily bond the hood. I believe at that point I will secure the hinges to the body and then cut. Not sure just yet.


    Now that the system is mounted I'm amazed at the simplicity and how well it all works, a credit to 2BKing. The parts are easy to fabricate with simple tools, it's just takes time. I'm not a very good fabricator so, if I can do it anyone can.

    Hopefully this will benefit someone else looking to take this on. I'm really looking forward to the body fitting which is likely the most challenging but, rewarding.


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