Please Pray For Our Country & Do Your Best To Limit Your Activities

[GoDadGo]

We all know that we are dealing with a Pandemic that may hit our country very hard.

Please stay home if at all possible and practice the best hygiene you can.

We need to do our best to stop the spread of this deadly disease.

God Has Blessed Us Before So Pray Hard & Repent!

Please don't put other at risk unnecessarily.

May God Bless America Once More!

Please Limit Your Activities!

I Am A Sinner Too!

Please Pray!

[Gumball]

Amen.

[Kmcallahan]

We all know that we are dealing with a Pandemic that may hit our country very hard.

Please stay home if at all possible and practice the best hygiene you can.

We need to do our best to stop the spread of this deadly disease.

God Has Blessed Us Before So Pray Hard & Repent!

Please don't put other at risk unnecessarily.

May God Bless America Once More!

Please Limit Your Activities!

I Am A Sinner Too!

Please Pray!

I agree, Amen!

[1932]

Yes

[caesarmascetti]

This too shall pass.

[GoDadGo]

The Corona Virus Has Caused New Orleans To Be Classified As A Hot Spot!

Mardi Gras Was February 25th So This News Isn't A Big Surprise!

All Bars Are Closed, But Restaurants Are Doing Take Out!

If You Have A Trip Planned For NOLA, Cancel It!

All Mississippi Gulf Coast Casinos Now Closed!

Pray Hard & Practice Good Personal Habits!

Be Careful Out There Gang, It Is Serious!

[chmhasy]

Amen

[Joecobr]

GoDad, best place to be right now is in a paint booth with a MKIV!

[frankb]

Amen, GoDad!

[Real time recon]

Amazon announced today their hiring 100,000 new employees to keep up w/demand.

[rich grsc]

So did everyone forget that two years ago,2017-2018, the flu killed 49,000 people, just in the USA?

[Papa]

[Rant on] This whole thing has been a case study on phycology. First, the fear mongering that the media caused by trying to sensationalize the situation. Yes, it's spreading rapidly and we have no way to reduce the impacts of this virus like we have in place for influenza, but put in perspective, this is no worse than any other viral outbreak. Remember SARS, MERS, Avian Flu, Swine Flu, Ebola, etc.? Those all came and went (from a media frenzy perspective), as will this one. If it doesn't, and it is as persistent as influenza, by next year we'll have another vaccine to start getting annually to stem the widespread effects. The real concern in my opinion isn't the virus itself as much as the fear that our wonderful media, including social media, spread early on without much in the way of factual information. Next, why the irrational hording on products that aren't in danger of becoming scarce? The only reason you don't see toilet paper on the shelves is because a few people felt compelled to buy more than they could possibly need, which triggered more panic in others, causing them to buy what they could until the shelves were empty. Now, as soon as there is any new stock delivered, people are driven to buy as much as they can and the snowball effect is hard to stop. You want a good laugh? Go check out the current eBay listings for toilet paper. Would you pay nearly $200 for a 12-roll package of toilet paper? Good grief people! How did the human race survive before we had toilet paper? The real problem is that people that actually need the items now can't get them because others that don't need 100 rolls of toilet paper or 10 gallons of milk, etc. have cleared the shelves.[Rant off]

Be smart guys and don't let this thing get the best of you! The smarter you make yourself and others around you, the less impact this thing will have in the long run.

[GoDadGo]

Papa Dave,

I totally get where you are coming from; however, when AIDS came on the scene we lost 10-12 individuals that I worked with. While these fellows were all "Light In Their Loafers" they died none the less.

My sister in law is an ICU nurse where one of "Those" patients is being treated. The fellow is on a ventilator at the present time.

https://www.nola.com/news/coronaviru...7f71d169a.html

Things only become serious when they touch us personally.

The Big Question Is; Do We Want To Be Touched?

Stay Healthy Papa Dave & I Pray We All Stay Healthy Too!

Steve

[Papa]

Sorry -- Back again with a bit of data that my financial advisor pointed me to when I met with him a couple of weeks ago as this had just started to impact the financial markets:



Typically, the market is driven by uncertainty in these situations and rebounds quickly. In this case, it may be more than just the uncertainty of this virus, but that combined with the fact that many experts believed we were due for a major market correction and we are in an election year (typically impacts the markets). Regardless, my advisor's advice to me was to stay the coarse, which is what I'm doing. Trying to adjust your plans in this volatile financial climate will not do you any favors. If you react after the fact, you loose.

[Papa]

Papa Dave,

I totally get where you are coming from; however, when AIDS came on the scene we lost 10-12 individuals that I worked with. While these fellows were all "Light In Their Loafers" they died none the less.

My sister in law is an ICU nurse where one of "Those" patients is being treated. The fellow is on a ventilator at the present time.

https://www.nola.com/news/coronaviru...7f71d169a.html

Things only become serious when they touch us personally.

The Big Question Is; Do We Want To Be Touched?

Stay Healthy Papa Dave & I Pray We All Stay Healthy Too!

Steve

Steve,

I don't disagree that this is serious and we need to be careful. My mother-in-law that is living with us is 84 and we definitely don't want her contracting this virus. We've made changes in how we interact with the world around us as a result. I'm not down playing the seriousness of this, but just saying it shouldn't be causing people to panic, but rather to adapt their habits in an informed and educated way. I'm working from home to minimize my exposure and have stopped going out unnecessarily. When I do go, I'm more aware of my surroundings. HIV-AIDS was similar when we were first made aware of it in many ways. It's still out there, but how do you look at it today vs. how you looked at it in 1981?

Here is some data from the CDC on HIV/AIDS that helps make my point.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom...idemic-508.pdf


Dave

[FFRWRX]

[Rant on] This whole thing has been a case study on phycology. First, the fear mongering that the media caused by trying to sensationalize the situation. Yes, it's spreading rapidly and we have no way to reduce the impacts of this virus like we have in place for influenza, but put in perspective, this is no worse than any other viral outbreak. Remember SARS, MERS, Avian Flu, Swine Flu, Ebola, etc.?

Yes I remember SARS. It killed about 800 people. This one has killed 10X that many already and is still ramping up.

[GoDadGo]

The point of this post was to get folks to Pray, Practice Good Hygiene & Social Distancing during this tumultuous time.

This Is Not A Politically Motivated Thread!

[Papa]

Yes I remember SARS. It killed about 800 people. This one has killed 10X that many already and is still ramping up.

I'm sorry, but I'm an engineer and tend to want data to help me assess any situation. Right now, people are reacting out of fear, not fact. Every year, 10's of thousands of people die from influenza and that's with vaccines and treatments available, but we don't shut down because of it. I'm not saying that this virus isn't dangerous and we really don't know the full extent of what it will ultimately do. I'm just saying to seek the factual data, and don't accept sensationalized reports that don't have context as a basis for how to respond.

I apologize for derailing Steve's thread and his good intentions and with that, I'll leave it alone.

Dave

[GoDadGo]

I'm sorry, but I'm an engineer and tend to want data to help me assess any situation. Right now, people are reacting out of fear, not fact. Every year, 10's of thousands of people die from influenza and that's with vaccines and treatments available, but we don't shut down because of it. I'm not saying that this virus isn't dangerous and we really don't know the full extent of what it will ultimately do. I'm just saying to seek the factual data, and don't accept sensationalized reports that don't have context as a basis for how to respond.

I apologize for derailing Steve's thread and his good intentions and with that, I'll leave it alone.

Dave

Engineers Solve Problems!

They seek logical solutions to complex situations.

The thread was NOT derailed at all, just given a different perspective.

[FFRWRX]

I'm an engineer as well which is why I gave you facts. Look them up. If you choose to ignore them to play down the severity of this virus there is nothing I can do about it. Steve made his comment to me about this not being a politically motivated thread because I stated that Trump played down the severity of this a month ago and has since changed his tune. Those are facts as well so I don't see that I'm being out of line to state them here. My main point is that we have to be very careful not to play this one down. It is proving to be far worse than anything we've seen in our lifetime.

[skidd]

Comparing the death rate of COVID19 to Influenza is focusing on the wrong numbers.
It's not about what kills more.. it's about which one has the capacity to overload our medical system.
Influenza with vaccines is more-or-less under control with that regard. We understand it, we have effective measures in place to minimize its impact, and the medical capacity to handle it.
COVID19... not even close. We have none of the above. We need to slow its growth to manage the impact on our health care system. It's really just that simple.

This recent video does a good job of explaining the system overload issue. Worth the couple of minutes to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgBla7RepXU

Doing our part as a nation.. and a community is the right thing to do. Social Distance, washing hands, staying inside unless really necessary.
We all want to be able to look back at this and say "wow.. that was not as big a deal as it could have been".
instead of "dang.. we should have taken drastic measures sooner".

[Real time recon]

And they laughed at " preppers"
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[GoDadGo]

Pray, Practice Good Hygiene & Social Distancing!

.............Let's close this thread out with all three.

[ptstew]

Comparing the death rate of COVID19 to Influenza is focusing on the wrong numbers.
It's not about what kills more.. it's about which one has the capacity to overload our medical system.
Influenza with vaccines is more-or-less under control with that regard. We understand it, we have effective measures in place to minimize its impact, and the medical capacity to handle it.
COVID19... not even close. We have none of the above. We need to slow its growth to manage the impact on our health care system. It's really just that simple.

This recent video does a good job of explaining the system overload issue. Worth the couple of minutes to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgBla7RepXU

Doing our part as a nation.. and a community is the right thing to do. Social Distance, washing hands, staying inside unless really necessary.
We all want to be able to look back at this and say "wow.. that was not as big a deal as it could have been".
instead of "dang.. we should have taken drastic measures sooner".

Great video. Thanks Skidd.

[David Hodgkins]

I'm working from home, wife is working from home, one daughter who is a school counselor is out until fall, my youngest got on a plane and came home from Alabama (roll tide) and I drove to San Francisco to get my son and got out literally 5 minutes before they closed the bay bridge to enforce a city-wide lock-down. Everyone is already going stir-crazy after one day! My son couldn't understand why we wouldn't allow him to visit any friends. The only way I know of to defeat this thing is for EVERYONE to hunker down to eliminate community transmission.

These are very weird times, unlike anything I've ever seen or read about in history. Basically the whole planet is fighting this thing.

I do think (hope) that this will pass relatively quickly, as in a few months.

I'm really hoping this thing will be done before summer! HB is rescheduled to September 12 and I wanna see my FFR buddies!

[R. Button]

To help put this "flu" into perspective...
This Coronavirus is way bigger than the seasonal flu. Depending on how it mutates this can get really scary quickly!
I don't even think the news people understand why either. I didn't till my wife, an ICU/CCU ER Transplant nurse with multiple degrees and been published too, explained it in more detail to me. This has to do with genetics! Specifically the RNA sequencing. That's what this is, a RNA sequence, that mutated, and jumped from an animal ( their best guess is from a bat based on genetic information) to humans. The flu is ALL HUMAN VIRUS. The DNA/RNA chains the comprise the flu virus - the human immune system, has a chance at developing an immunity to them, thus by each cycle of the flu your own body has tried to build up a defense against them. You can get a flu shot - people have mixed feelings about that or hope your body has improved it's immunity based on exposure before the next wave of flu appears.

This was what Britain was planning on doing. We'll let people be exposed to the virus, build up their own immunity, which will stop the spread. Then someone explained to the PM how wrong he was and they have suddenly changed course and it's lock down! What changed his mind?

Sorry but we have to go back to class...
Novel viruses come from the animal populations, both wild and domestic. Veterinarians have for years dealt with these viruses. So seems now animal viruses have mutated and transferred to humans. Thus you have to understand DNA and RNA, that you may have had to learn back in high school or that morning biology class you had at college, in the morning. - that you often slept through!

First a quick comments on DNA & RNA... not a science class just a bit to help understand this new virus
DNA (Deoxyribonucleic acid) is THE core of what identifies us as a human. It's now a well documented chain of what we call genes that make up all the attributes of what we call humans. It's very stable as it's a dual string of genes connected together wrapped around each other. Currently we consider DNA as unchangeable - but science may push that term to allow some changes, in our children's future lives. DNA stays - unchanging - but it needs a messenger to manage the creation of proteins, something that can carry genetic information and also generate the proteins we need. That messenger is RNA (ribonucleic acid) which can act as a messenger. They tag RNA with a number of different tags depending on what it's to do. But I'm not trying to put you to sleep yet.... DNA "gives" to the single string RNA the genes needed to perform the task. Note I said RNA is a single string - also rather unstable. It can easily mutate.

Now this RNA virus in an animal mutates and "jumps" to a human. The human body has no way to deal with this virus as this is an animal virus and the human body is not programmed to handle RNA from outside it's species! So this virus can mutate and create proteins that this new "host" has no way to deal with.

How the human body deals with it is like what one Italian Dr said, You just came to the wheel of life. We're going to spin it and see what's going to happen to you. It's been said if you are young in good health you will be fine, if you have other underlying medical issues you have a greater risk, and age also seems to factor in. As more are affected we are hearing reports of people that are the exception. Hence it's the wheel of life we're on and no one knows what is going to happen.

A common question what happens to all those that have "recovered" from it? Did they become immune to catching it again - nope reports out of Japan and China are beginning to point otherwise. ( https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucele.../#135472795c0f ) And most doctors expect to hear of more as other doctors begin to to have time to fill in reports and more statistics. We have very weak information now as medical staff are focused on saving lives not in filling in the details for reports.

This is a virus that can mutate and already has, BUT more importation we're messing with the genes that define us as human. We may not know for maybe a generation what affect this virus has on the human population.

And just as I know you like to read... and look at pics!
And from all the news that fit to print - The New York Times has an good article on the virus also;
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...CcHNwl2Q88wJNk

And if you want all the more details here is a Scientific American article
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...kGjuYLL8ZTtM60

It's not going to be the deaths it causes now but the longer term affect that the virus may have.

[GoDadGo]

Okay Mr. Button, Now I'm Really Praying Harder Than Ever!

[FFRWRX]

Thank you Mr. Button, excellent information. I really appreciate the explanation.....I almost understand it. Scary stuff to be dealing with.

[Cobradavid]

And they laughed at " preppers"
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Only one beer for all that meat? Not very well prepared!

[Cobradavid]

“Feed your fears and your faith will starve. Feed your faith, and your fears will.”

― Max Lucado, Fearless: Imagine Your Life Without Fear

[rich grsc]

Deaths in US.JPGCovid19 deaths.JPG
Everyone should pray as much as they need. It's a comfort to the mind and soul, relieving anxiety and stress. But prayers have never cured a disease, that's medicine and science.

[Jazzman]

Right With you Dad! I will not be ruled by a spirit of fear, but an unshakable confidence that we will overcome this obstacle like every other! We are Americans! We work the problem. We find answers. It's what we do!

[FFRWRX]

But prayers have never cured a disease, that's medicine and science.

Thank you for being brave enough to say what I’ve been thinking all along.

[rely]

are they mutually exclusive or possibly intertwined?

[Mark Eaton]

My perspective: I am a general surgeon in southern Oregon and our hospital is the regional medical center for northern CA and southern OR. We are the second highest acuity medical center in Oregon and normally receive transfers from all over our region. We do not have a fall back hospital that we can count on in this situation. My group of 8 surgeons provides all the general/trauma/vascular/pediatric surgical care for our hospital. We have been working with administration and are prepared for the worst. We have cancelled all elective surgery and are only performing emergent or semi-emergent surgery. We met this morning and discussed our strategy. Depending on how this hits us it is possible all eight of us may contract full Covid 19 infection. Because we, the surgeons, are a limited resource we will not have the ability to quarantine ourselves. We will work with full blown infection as long as each of us is physically able. We have the proper gear to prevent spreading it to the patients.

Never the less, we have resolve and will stand strong and take care of our community no matter what.

[MSumners]

My perspective: I am a general surgeon in southern Oregon and our hospital is the regional medical center for northern CA and southern OR. We are the second highest acuity medical center in Oregon and normally receive transfers from all over our region. We do not have a fall back hospital that we can count on in this situation. My group of 8 surgeons provides all the general/trauma/vascular/pediatric surgical care for our hospital. We have been working with administration and are prepared for the worst. We have cancelled all elective surgery and are only performing emergent or semi-emergent surgery. We met this morning and discussed our strategy. Depending on how this hits us it is possible all eight of us may contract full Covid 19 infection. Because we, the surgeons, are a limited resource we will not have the ability to quarantine ourselves. We will work with full blown infection as long as each of us is physically able. We have the proper gear to prevent spreading it to the patients.

Never the less, we have resolve and will stand strong and take care of our community no matter what.

Agreed Mark,
Our group has accepted that we will all likely be infected and can only try to limit the spread as much as possible.
Normally I would stay away from comments I've read above but I'll make one remark.
You can ignore the quoted numbers on confirmed cases as representing reality. We do not have adequate testing supplies to come anywhere close to testing suspected cases.
Good luck Mark

[GoDadGo]

Mark & Mark,

I think we need to not only pray for our country, but more importantly to pray for those like you who are working day and night to get us through this most uncertain time.
May God Be With You Along With All Of The Medical Miracle Workers Of The World!
Good Luck, Stay Healthy & God's Speed!
We will be praying for you all.

Steve

[Real time recon]

And they laughed at " preppers"
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Cobradavid....Your right.But with a fruit press who needs beer.009.jpg002.JPG002.jpg

[GoDadGo]

Cobradavid....Your right.But with a fruit press who needs beer.009.jpg002.JPG002.jpg

Dude,

I want to party with you when this is all over.

Steve

[NiceGuyEddie]

March 19:

My situation is not that bad.

My workplace in San Bernardino County, California falls into the (current) "under 50 employees" thing. We are OPEN and running. We actually have two buildings so it's 25 or so each building. It's a factory - half of it is outdoors. The large garage doors are open, plenty of open air.

Everyone is being extra careful - no handshakes, and if anybody would be the slightest sick, they would NOT come to work. So far no problems at all.

I'm enjoying no traffic. People are a little kinder to each other than say 20 days ago. Food stores are sparse, but OK. Most restaurants are open, but to-go only.

My biggest problem? T-mobile gave everyone unlimited data until May 1st. Ever since, after 6pm my phone hardly works at all, not even text messages.

If I run out of toilet paper, I can always use my stock portfolio.